Nature vs Nurture and why it’s a non argument.

Posted: September 19, 2011 in Christian Ethics, LGBT Issues

(I’ve left the links in to the verses at Bible CC just incase someone wants a look)

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (NIV)

I often hear verse 26 quoted at me as to why being gay is “wrong”.

Here’s how I look at this verse.

1. The people involved were straight, they were not eunuchs as described by Jesus in Matthew
2. They were inflamed with LUST, which is sinful. They were given over because they had rejected God.
3. To a gay person, straight sex not only feels wrong, it is wrong, it is unnatural
4. and this is the cookie.

If it is sinful to do things that are unnatural, then here is a list of things of the sorts of things one should not do:-

a. Take someone to hospital (i.e. interfering with the natural progression of an illness)
b. Give Blood
c. Shaving
d. Having a hair cut
e. Washing! (really you need to wash, for everyone’s sake)
f. Trimming your finger nails

We have been given dominion over the natural order in Genesis.

These verses are about people who reject God, simple, about how, in rejecting God they took on all manner of practices including worshipping things made by men, part of that worship included lustful sex, anything done as worship of something or someone that is not God is wrong.

Notice how quickly the same people that drag this verse out ignore the further verses about malice and gossip which in God’s eyes are just as terrible.

So actually the message here is that we need to find Jesus, worship him in spirit and in truth and turn to Him.

… and just to put the “natural/unnatural” thing to bed, as there are over 1500 species of animals where homosexual behaviour is observed it seems the argument is completely and fatally flawed.

… remember when Slavary was justified from the Bible?


If it’s not natural, that’s irrelevant because we do a whole host of things that are not natural.
If it is natural as seems to be proven by science and nature for some people to be LGBT, and as Jesus said, some are born like it, some made like it by men and some choose to be celibate for the kingdom of God then we must look at the context of the verses and not take out individual bits to justify a cause that simply is not there.


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