Archive for September, 2015

Understanding the Bible .

Posted: September 17, 2015 in Uncategorized

You can prove anything pretty much from scripture.

I’m frankly very very tired of hearing the same old stuff where people take their cultural ideals and back it up from scripture. Rather than taking scripture in the CONTEXT it was written and backing it up in the culture it was written in.

For instance the whole anti-gay/gay lobby (yes folks both of you) starts with a theory then backs it up with scripture. Both are in fact doing it wrong!

Let’s have a little look at one of the Anti-gay clobber scriptures from Leviticus. In a few different translations

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. NIV!!!  (wait that’s a different word on the end, they didn’t say abomination…so who is right?)

Thou shalt not lie with mankinde, as with womankinde: it is abomination.
– King James Version (1611) – View 1611 Bible Scan

‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
– New American Standard Version (1995)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
– American Standard Version (1901)

You may not have sex relations with men, as you do with women: it is a disgusting thing.
– Basic English Bible check this one out… it’s been reduced from abomination to disgusting. Disgusting for who. Remember Paul said it was unnatural for men to have long hair! 

And thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination.
– Darby Bible

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
– Webster’s Bible

‘You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable.
– World English Bible

`And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is].
– Youngs Literal Bible

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.
– Jewish Publication Society Bible

Seems simple doesn’t it? – ok first thing to point out. The hebrew word for “detestable” or “abomination” here is only used in the CONTEXT < theres’ that word again of Idol worship.

21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Whoa hang on here the hebrew word for detestable is used only the context of idol worship and the verse before is about not sacrificing children to Molek IDOL WORSHIP!!!!!

From Wikipedia.

Some people[who?] interpret this to mean that the verse prohibits male homosexual acts. The major area of debate has then been over the hermeneutical question of whether and how this text applies to the modern Christian or Jewish situation (see The Bible and homosexuality and Biblical law in Christianity for that debate). As noted in the separate article on Leviticus, the book uses the word “abomination” 16 times, with the Hebrew word “sheqets” being used in describing dietary prohibitions (for example prohibiting shellfish and pork), mostly in Leviticus 11, and once for physical uncleanness (Leviticus 7:21), while “tô‛êbah” is used often for idolatry (Dt. 32:16) and specific other sins (Deuteronomy 24:4), for people who disobey God (Deuteronomy 25:16), and collectively for lists of sins. Leviticus 18:27–30Proverbs 6:16-19).

Remember that Hebrew has no punctuation so where the verses appear is actually down to who? The translators!.

So you can take the verse at face value and use it to clobber gay people or you can actually be bothered to look at the CONTEXT. The same is true for the passage in Romans.

What if? What if the anti-gay lobby is wrong? What if they block people from following Christ because of their mis-understanding of scripture? What if the gay lobby is wrong?

Here’s the point… we could both be wrong. So what do we do about it?

Well firstly, we need to meet on even ground. The Anti-gay lobby would do well to get focused back on Christ and his redeeming work. If I was the devil the thing I would want to do more than anything is to get peoples focus away from the work of Christ, for some Christians the whole gay/anti-gay thing has become more important that the work of Christ itself.

I’m not saying one should dismiss scripture simply that we need to be humble with it, we need to look at the outworking of our theology  in the light of the two most important commandments.

King James Bible
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

So any theology that breaks these commandments cannot be right.

Using individual and often out of context scripture verses to batter anyone, women, LGBT people and anyone else, is in fact breaking the second commandment. Requiring someone to live alone their whole lives just because you can’t handle it is not loving your neighbour as yourself, it’s controlling their lives.

As Christians we do have to accept that people are different and they will live their lives the way they want to, Jesus never commanded us to go and make all the gay people straight, he said go make disciples, people who follow him and love him.

I really get fed up with Christians who keep saying “It’s not a religion it’s a relationship” and then in the next breath start quoting rules and regulations they like to make themselves feel better with.

You do know what a relationship is? Don’t you?

I love you Jesus, now let me beat myself up with old testament law.

I know, because that was my Christian life. To the point of 7 suicide attempts. Be very careful how you use scripture. Why? because someone might take on board what you are teaching and it may destroy them.

You would think someone like me would give up on this and walk away from Christ, but there is something wonderful about his love and acceptance. I would remind anyone who follows him that he spent all his time with tax collectors and “sinners”.

Go ye and do likewise.

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What did I learn from Pride?

Posted: September 11, 2015 in Uncategorized

I have just watched the film “Pride“. I have been reflecting on it for a few days and here are my thoughts.

Just because people hate you doesn’t mean you can’t change the world.

The LGBT people were motivated by seeing the Miners getting the same treatment they got, in fact as Christ crossed cultural barriers with the Samaritan woman they crossed cultural barriers and walked right in to the lions den. Into a bunch of people that, in fact, didn’t really like LGBT people either.

Sometimes as a gay person it’s easy to get focussed on the visceral attacks of the homophobic, to get so focused on the attacks that you start believing the lies that some how you are a mistake, that your natural desires you can choose to change.  But that just results in pain for yourself and those around you.

These people, with their lack of resources managed to touch the hearts of a hardened miners town, to get acceptance on a level that I’m sure must have shocked the media who branded them “perverts”.

You have the power to do incredible good

Instead of wallowing in self pity, you as an LGBT person has the power just like anyone to touch the hearts and lives of those around you, you know what? If people reject you, you can either carry on fighting or go somewhere where you will be accepted and use that as a platform to help others feel accepted.

It’s not just LGBT people that have a hard time

I think one of the key things was the way that the LGBT people were able to help the miners because there were many similarities in their treatment, in one scene, miners have been arrested and one of the gay people helps them get them out of prison. Perhaps if LGBT people could start identifying more with those struggling with the same treatment that would provide incredible power against the oppression that exists in this world.

I found it amusing how the LGBT people noticed that the police were not hassling them any more, “where have they gone?” they said, …. the miners knew exactly where they had gone. There is a thin line between policing the law and persecuting.

Where were the Christians?

The lack of any christians having any impact both on those who are LGBT and the miners poverty I found very saddening. So often church misses it’s chance to show love, compassion and mercy. Love covers over a multitude of sins. (yes, that’s in the Bible).

Anyway – I highly recommend the film, as long as you don’t mind being moved.

Another good article about this film is here.