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So Hillsong church who are not anti-gay but are anti-gay relationships have been harbouring a couple who are openly out and openly in a relationship, even though the church disapproves.

To be honest to me this smacks of hypocrisy, on one hand use the talents of these wonderful men, on the other hand disapprove of them. It’s like hugging someone and hitting them at the same time.

Hillsong, shame on you for using people who give so generously and love so much and then wagging your finger at them.

Make a choice. Either you are going to love and support LGBT couples in your church or you are not.

I think that Reed and Kelly who made this statement on twitter demonstrate the difficulty with LGBT people in church ,why? because on the one hand the church is your family, on the other you are in conflict with what they think of you.

Look Hillsong, you either love and accept these great men of God who serve the church faithfully, you accept they are in a loving, monogamous relationship and trying to honour God, or you expel them from your church.

Of course in a way, I am doing the same thing, although I’m not in any kind of relationship, I serve every week in my local church yet there are leaders of the Anglican Church for whom my very presence in the church would really be awkward.

But I believe that the only way that Christians can understand and empathise is if we are there. If they actually find out that we are not the terrible creatures that some churches would portray.

So Reed and Josh, stay strong, keep fighting the fight.

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Ok I’ve had enough.

The message of Christ has been diluted so much by people like UKIP who have turned it into “gay’s can’t get married”, to “Christian Concern” who seriously think that you can make a gay person straight, trust me I tried everything to be straight, I got married, I went to conferences but guess what I’m still gay. The damage caused by these groups over the years is huge, just google ex-gay and read up  on some of the psychological problems caused by trying to make someone change their sexuality.

Last night on LBC radio there was  Christian saying that she had 2 gay friends who were celibate. (basically that means lonely) she said they had to live that way, would she live that way? I doubt it, she’d go have a nice family, but she stands by why LGBT people are supposed to be alone. Unfair, unjust and frankly unchristian. What about Genesis where it says it is not good for a man to be alone?, What about Paul’s instruction that if you have problems with lust you should get married?… (although I’m sure not everyone that get’s married has a problem with lust?!). Paul said there is no law against love but these people make up laws. They reduce sexuality to one act. Whereas sexuality is much more than that.

I cannot for the life of me understand why Christian’s can’t focus on things like Loving your neighbour, instead have become captivated by something Jesus hardly had anything to say about.

What happened to the message of the gospel? What happened? it got hijacked by people who think that they should go round telling other people how to live. I’m angry about it, I want the gospel back to Jesus dying for our Sin, to God so loving every one of us that he died for us.

I am fascinated by the number of overweight preachers that condemn gay people but completely ignore the regular condemnation of gluttony in the Bible. “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” has been completely forgotten.

I want Christians who don’t agree that I’m worth saving to get off my case. Go to church, do your stuff but leave me alone.

I just want to get back to the Gospel. I want to be like Jesus. I want to follow him with all my heart. Something that is incredibly difficult unless, it seems, you are a child. Then it is simple.

About Jesus it was said, a bruised reed he did not break. So stop breaking us. stop thinking you have any idea what it’s like to be attracted to the same sex. stop it. go back to Jesus, find him and share his love. Then you can bring healing to what is REALLY broken.

Well that sounds a bit like something from a Christmas Carol. But something has happened in the Christian church which I believe will have a major impact on the views of many Evangelical style Christians. His arguments are logical and approach the subject from quite a different perspective, instead of getting each of the six or so bible verses that appear to condemn gay people to eternal fire and damnation, he approaches it by looking at the way we treat other scriptures, such as the demands of Paul for women to be silent in church.

I sort of imagine the conversation “Don’t you know it says in scripture?”, “SSHHHH”, “what do you mean shhhh?”, “It also says women should be silent in church”, “Shhhh”.

Steve of course is a major part of the Evangelical church here in the United Kingdom, he’s a well known and much loved speaker. He’s someone, that to be honest I have respected for a long time. I just think that him making a stand for us, is so much like Jesus who made a stand for so many who were rejected and poor. Who stood up against the religious authorities of the time who thought it more important to worry about dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s than the Love that is found in Christ. Focus on Love and you see things from a very different perspective than if you spend your time focusing on law.

 

Anyway, here’s the article, there is a good video on the website as well.

http://www.oasisuk.org/inclusionresources/Articles/MOIabridged

Church is changing, just as it changed from approving slavery. The core of our faith stays the same, but the frilly outer garments are changing.

Struggling to be Christian.

Posted: December 27, 2012 in LGBT Isuses

I wish God would come down RIGHT NOW and sort out this whole Gay marriage thing. Because, frankly, I’m tired of it. If you want LGBT people in your church then you have to either accept them as they are or make it clear that your religion does not allow them in. Remember that, in doing so you may be shutting Christ out with them, after all, he spent his time with Tax Collectors and sinners like us.

The truth is, now when I read the idiotic statements of people who have, either never studied the subject in depths, or have simply gone by what their mother told them instead of researching it for themselves, I get angry, really angry, I feel that we are not given a chance to speak, just always they publish the views of the haters.

Here is just a few little snippets of information that might help make them more informed.

1. The King James Bible was commissioned by James the 1st, who is commonly known as a gay man. He had open gay relationships. Monogamous loving relationships. The translators wishing to try and get at him translated the verses in such a way as it outlawed homosexuality. To quote James, “I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man, like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George.”

James was convinced that Jesus love for John was that of a gay relationship as we know it, I don’t know if I agree or not, but John does refer to himself as the disciple whom Jesus loved but that is agape love  so I don’t think you can take that inference from it.

2. God omitted a marriage service, in fact, to go further never even talked about it. He gave Noah instructions to build an ark, Moses instructions to build a tent, but never bothered to even talk about how to conduct a marriage service. In fact it seems to me there are more instructions on divorce than marriage, Jesus ofcourse said that divorce was given because of man’s hard hearts, I wonder if the same could be said of marriage.

3. 46% of marriages in the UK fail anyway. So what’s the big fuss, why not give LGBT people the chance to fail as well.

4. Gay people will get into loving, monogamous relationships, with, or without other peoples approval, they always have, and they always will, because love is far more powerful than hate. In fact those that hate us in the name of Christ, in fact just make us want to love even more. At the end of things, God will judge those who judge others with the same measure that they use to judge them.

I have been listening to LBC radio and  thinking a lot about this whole gay marriage debate. I think, in fact, that people of faith don’t understand what it means to me as a person of faith.

Christian marriage to me is incredibly important. Being denied it means that I am not good enough, that in fact, I should remain alone. Because marriage is a celebration of what has already happened. It is nothing to do with procreation. Procreation is a result of a relationship. You don’t need to be married to procreate, and in fact, if you are married and you don’t procreate through choice or otherwise, guess what, your marriage is still valid, your commitment to each other is still fantastic.

When church says gay people should not allowed to be married, what they are REALLY saying is gay people should not be in a relationship, they are a terrible misfit, one of God’s embarrassing mistakes. Rather like someone who is disabled. Another of God’s mistakes? No, that is not the God I serve, he is one who created all in his own image and his image is big enough to encompass us all. Saying that one person is naturally more “godlike” because of their orientation or the colour of their skin is nothing more than the sort of Nazi attitude that we are often accused of.

Just as baptism  and confirmation as signs of what has already happened, so is marriage. It is not a magic trick and anyone who believes that it will fix a broken relationship between two people is sadly mistaken, if anything, it will make things worse.

People who think all people of faith are anti-gay-marriage and anti-gay are wrong. People who think that LGBT people are anti-God are also very much mistaken. However, they cannot be surprised to find that a lot of LGBT people are anti-church. In reality, I have days when I think, stuff it, I won’t bother with church anymore, but my church has this terrible way of dragging me back, the people who know about me treat me as an equal, whereas the institution does not.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cross-Closet-Timothy-Kurek/dp/0983567743/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1349985420&sr=1-1

I have just bought a book for my iPad, written by Timothy Kurek, who, in my opinion is completely mad. But to be honest also incredibly brave. He as a right wing Christian questioned what he had been told about us gays and took the quite crazy action to literally walk in our shoes.

I’m part way through the book and it’s a great read, but more than that, it’s  a great book for anyone wondering about the whole Gay “thing” and just what we go through, especially those like myself from a Christian background.

https://www.facebook.com/timothykurek  – his Facebook page.

 

How Interesting to watch the things going on in the USA, where companies are jumping on the pro/anti gay marriage. Including one notorious Chik-Fil-A. It amazes me that companies can be this stupid. To be honest I can’t see it happening here in the United Kingdom (apart from a small B&B that found itself in court).

What exactly are these people on?, They show no respect for their LGBT employees who have different views from them. I work for a company where there are 2 (including me) gay people, we have muslims, Christians, Buddhists and I’m sure some faiths I’ve never heard of. But you know what, as far as I can tell, all the faith/sexuality stuff is overlooked, we all know that we will disagree on things but that doesn’t stop us working together and supporting and caring for each other.

Every faith I’m sure thinks its more right than the next, it’s a kind of “Faith Snobbery”, some faiths in some places probably want to do very nasty things to everyone else. I understand that some people may think that gay people should not be in a loving relationship and should try and live as a straight person (I tried it for 30 years and really, it doesn’t work).

I think these people should be very careful, in Jesus parable about the sheep and the goats…

The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. ”

Jesus showed how the king was not concerned about someones sexuality more than how they treated others, the King’s concern was weather someone clothed the naked, fed the hungry or visited a prisoner. Jesus example is one of humbly going to those in need and rescuing them. Of sacrificing one’s self for others. Not banning people from being in love. The two commandments that Jesus said encapsulate the whole law are simple

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

Luke 10: 26“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27He answered: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’c; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d” 28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

This brings an interesting thought when interpreting scripture. If we look at scripture and it does not appear to work in this framework perhaps we are interpreting it wrongly?

God in scripture hears the outcry of the poor and in my view a lot of LGBT people are spiritually poor thanks to the treatment of the church. In the Bible when he hears that outcry he takes action, with, or without his people.

Perhaps Chik-Fil-A will discover something of God’s power and love when it comes to the rejected. Anyway, I’m off to KFC who know how to treat their customers and stuff, with respect and a little bit of that secret recipe.

I love Jesus because you know, he’s not impressed by big churches, fancy singing, nice cars or anything like that. He is impressed by people who reach out of their faith/culture comfort zone and start affecting people not by preaching at them but by showing them the love a Father that some of them never knew.

Oh by the way, happy readers, I’ve started a dating site http://www.greatgaydating.com