Posts Tagged ‘church of england’

Today I was listening to LBC probably my favourite radio station. Funnily enough they were not talking about this topic but I think the comments said actually apply. When it comes down to it religion is about getting to paradise/heaven. What you do in the practice of your religion is often designed to increase your chances to get into heaven/paradise or whatever you call it.

The point is.

Does hating someone or banishing them from your life/church actually help you get closer to God? Standing on the brokenness of others, surely, in accordance with the teachings of Jesus will never make us better people.

At no point did Jesus EVER tell ANYONE to hate or treat any one with distain. Jesus started simply by saying that we had to “Believe in the one God had sent”, following with that we should Love the Lord our God with all our heart soul mind and strength and love our neighbours as ourselves. None of these things actually include being homophobic or hateful towards anyone who actually isn’t good enough, or doesn’t meet the mark.

The truth is, no one meets the mark. Jesus knew that ever one of us is a sinner. Regardless. None of us gets to God’s level. But our entry into heaven just seems to start with faith. The thief on the cross next to Christ just believed, he didn’t protest against gay marriage, he didn’t get baptised, married or religious, he simply believed because, well frankly, he couldn’t move.

You see you can only really find Christ when you realise that you cannot move without him, that, in a sense everyone is spiritually on a cross next to Christ and the key to the depths of his love is the realisation that without him we can do nothing. With him – everything is possible.

Jesus told his disciples not to lord it over people, but to be their servants. Christians are called to serve and to be servants to all.

There is  a huge gulf between some LGBT people and Christians. Christians it is our place to make the first move, to go stand by the well and talk to the Samarian. There is a lot of healing needed, for Chrstians and LGBT people alike, a lot of broken relationships, children thrown out of homes by their parents, a lot of hate. None of it comes from Christ. He just isn’t like that.

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Well I can’t fathom what on earth the Church of England are doing.

It seems only 5 minutes ago that Justin Welby our beloved Archbishop was telling us all how terrible Gay Marriage was and that Marriage was reserved for straight people….and now… they are working with Stonewall to target homophobic bullying in schools.

Isn’t that a bit two faced?

I mean you either accept us as we are and understand our need for intimate, loving relationships just like straight people, or are we supposed to spend our whole lives alone? (something that I for one am NOT enjoying), just to keep people happy who are uncomfortable about us. (Well, some people are uncomfortable about dealing with people with psychological or physical challenges).

So here we go with what the Church of England thinks of people like me…

(source)

The mind of the Church has been expressed formally on two occasions. First, on 11 November 1987, the General Synod passed by 403 votes to 8 the following motion at the end of the debate initiated by the Revd Tony Higton:

‘That this Synod affirms that the biblical and traditional teaching on chastity and fidelity in personal relationships in a response to, and expression of, God’s love for each one of us, and in particular affirms:

  1. that sexual intercourse is an act of total commitment which belongs properly within a permanent married relationship; (i.e. Gay people must remain single)
  2. that fornication and adultery are sins against this ideal, and are to be met by a call to repentance and the exercise of compassion; (i.e. Gay people in relationships are “fornicating”)
  3. that homosexual genital acts also fall short of this ideal, and are likewise to be met by a call to repentance and the exercise of compassion; (further confirmation)
  4. that all Christians are called to be exemplary in all spheres of morality, including sexual morality; and that holiness of life is particularly required of Christian leaders.’

So if you read the whole thing, frankly it is wholly inappropriate for them to be “targeting homophobic bullying” when their attitude to people like me is simply that we are sub-standard Christians. ESPECIALLY if we are in a relationship.

Luckily I am not in any kind of relationship and I do as I have said before, sometimes struggle with loneliness. What is the church’s council, simple… tough, you have to be lonely because it makes us happy and satisfies our traditions. (Even though actually PRIOR to the church there were LGBT marriages, even some Roman Emperors had same sex marriages).

I love Jesus, I just wish I could be equal to straight believers but I know I will never live up to the standards of the Church of England.

So why don’t I just leave and go to another church? Because my church is my family. All though I’m the rainbow coloured sheep. They are still my family.

I remember when our church had a discussion on Gay marriage, I did not take part, but it was in the chapel and I could hear them talking about me (indirectly). It was tremendously difficult to experience, I did not feel prepared for it because I did not know it was going to happen until that morning. Luckily for me there was someone who noticed I was quite upset and I told them I was gay, she was very kind.

So Stonewall, please realise who you are dealing with.

That is a bit of an oxymoron actually.

I was wondering around my email this morning when I came across this shocking report, “Christian” parents sending their children BY FORCE to a christian school so they can be made straight.

It’s barbaric and nothing to do with the Christian faith. The faith where there is “no Jew, Greek, Male or Female because we are all one in Christ”. Children and teens taken in the night to these places, it must be terrifying for the children. I know that the loving parents think they are doing the best for their children but they forget one immutable fact, you cannot change a persons sexual orientation, no amount of singing choruses, screaming Jesus Loves me at the top of your voice will do it.

The correct response is to allow the LGBT person to work through their faith with support and love.

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Well this is a follow up to my criticism of Marcus Bradshaw for calling the Archbishop a…well let’s not go there.

I did not realise that this guy is an advocate for LGBT people and actually he bravely got angry with the religious leadership of his day. (Oh hang on, Jesus did that). If you check his Facebook profile you will see message after message of SUPPORT from LGBT people and I added mine. Although perhaps calling the Archbishop a, w****r might be a bad way of expressing it it had a wonderful effect. It made people sit up and listen.

Jesus, turned over the tables in the temple and caused equal uproar, he was ALWAYS winding up the religious leadership and getting in trouble for it.

However, Jesus, he attracted to him the poor and needy, the rejected and down trodden.

Being like Christ is not about obeying rules and making people feel rejected and down trodden. In fact, it’s about standing in the gap for those who cannot stand for themselves. I know for myself I have felt so terrible about the way the archbishop and others put down us LGBT people. Without good reason, crushing our spirits, the Bible does say about Jesus, a bruised reed he will not break. How much reed breaking has been done by the religious right.

Sometimes Jesus got angry, it’s called righteous anger. I doubt he swore but he was quite straight forward about those who “shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces”.

What is more like Jesus, to stand for the oppressed? or to be the oppressor.

Amazingly. 390 votes to 140 in favour of Gay Marriage (except for in church), in the UK.

The sad thing is that the Church of England is exempt from  it. So people in churches can carry on rejecting gay people’s relationships and do it within the law.

But praise God the rest of the UK has come round.

Now all we have to do is wait for God to get angry and send a massive tornado. If he doesn’t perhaps he is not angry with two people being in love. After all, there is no law against love.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. Galations 5:22

 

This bothered me…

“So, if two people who practiced witchcraft turned up at the Church of England church and wanted to get married, would you have to do it?”

“Yes, provided they met all the legal requirements, but they would not be able to change the official wording”.

“…and if two people who were gay wanted to make a lifelong commitment to each other, these two have served in the church for 25 years, they would not be able to”

“Yes, that’s right”

…. need I say more.

An open letter to the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Firstly let me congratulate you on your appointment.

I was not surprised that the Church of England still does not recognise relationships that gay people have as relationships. I as an anglican who attends church every Sunday and does a lot of work for my local church, I “enjoy” an incredibly lonely life, your condemnation of me as a gay man being in any kind of relationship is a hard one to bear. Especially, as every weekend up and down the country the same church that condemns me to a life of loneliness, marry’s people and blesses people who are not even Christians, who do not attend church, and frankly have no clue where the book of Ezra is for instance in the Bible.

These people, who’s marriages you will bless because they are straight include, Pagans, Witches, the Divorced (didn’t Jesus have something to say about that. although I think actually he was making a different point to the one normally made?), in fact anyone who is in a heterosexual relationship, even if it is abusive receives the unmerited blessing from the Church of England.

Along with this hypocrisy  goes the ignoring of other commands from the Bible, women, as Paul said, should be silent in church, that eating shellfish is a terrible sin, and in fact, if you marry a women who is not a virgin she must be put to death. I think that putting people to death for sin has kind of been given up. I have, for instance not found one Christian who is keen to put me to death.

Arguments from history, as well leave a lot to be desired. Marriage has not always been between ONE man and ONE woman, take for instance quite a few of the Bible marriages, these included concubines, servants, polygamy, incest (Adam and Eve had two sons, who did they have sex with to produce more children?). Sir, I would remind you that our church was formed so Henry the 8th, hardly the best example for marriage, could get a divorce!.

If God was so concerned about marriage, why did he not even bother to give us a marriage service in the Bible? Surely he would have commanded it. Perhaps in fact, as Jesus said “You do not understand the power of God because there is no marriage in heaven” (Matthew 22:29). Marriage, is not a Christian institution it existed in many forms before the Council of Trent got a hold of it and made into a “Christian institution”, ofcourse, sir, then you could only have sex once a week.

You do only have sex once a week, don’t you?

Sir, you are a shepherd of a varied flock. I know that if you blessed people like me if we ever found someone to be with, you would lose a lot of money from the Africans especially. But sometimes, Sir, can I say there is a matter of conscience at stake and after all,  the love of money is the root of all evil.

As for me, if I do meet someone Sir, I will I hope attend church with  him and together we will serve God in whatever ways we can. Trusting in the blood and grace of Christ to cover us, as according to 2 Cor 5:21 he is our righteousness and hope.

I do understand Sir, that you have a difficult balancing act to do, and that sometimes you have to bear with the weaker brother as in the example of eating meat sacrificed to idols in the book of Romans. But please know that all over the world there are Anglican people, for whom you Sir, are the shepherd, who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender, who do not need rejection any longer, but acceptance and love, unconditionally, just as I hope you would seek to give to anyone who walks into the stately doors of any church building in the Anglican Communion.

May I suggest that the solution is to make a ruling that the decision to bless Gay marriages should be passed to the local churches. Thus you keep everyone happy. The local churches can then advertise if they would bless those who are of the LGBT persuasion. Then you can keep the Africans happy (you keep your money), and allow the LGBT community to be properly ministered to.

I do not take communion, I will not until Sir, the Church of England recognises me as a human being made equal by the sacrifice of Christ, upon whose death the curtain in the Temple was torn in two.

Your humble servant,

Paul.